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I moved to a different account.

This one.

Haha.

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How am I stubborn for replying? You responded to me and I responded back. If you don’t want to continue this, then don’t reply. It’s that simple. It’s not going to make you a lesser person. This will have to end eventually, anyways.

Besides, if you have such a problem with continuing this, then why did you even start it? And why do you keep responding?

If you want it to be over, then end it. Don’t reply.

I do see other points. I acknowledge them. Does that mean I have to agree with them? No. It’s the equivalent of how you will never understand what I believe and I will never understand what you believe.

No, I’m not her supervisor. But does that make it wrong to inform her of the consequences of her actions? I could say the same thing about you. What gives you the right to come here and talk to me when I could say that the situation does not directly concern you? It’s hypocritical, really.

I don’t understand your relationship with her, but in the eyes of an outsider, it seems like you guys are more acquaintances than close friends.

I never took out my anger and annoyance on her, and I don’t understand what you’re trying to accomplish by saying that I have. The reason I spoke to her was that, in spite of many artists’ attempts to speak out to their viewers, there’s going to be someone who doesn’t listen. Like I said before, I’m not going to give anyone special treatment. As long as I have a right to speak my mind, anyone who “leeches” off my comment, I’ll respond to them.

I wasn’t assuming that you tried to make the first page of every comment… It’s annoying how you take everything so literally. I have nothing to say here, because it’s obvious anything that comes out of my mouth you’re going to take seriously. I could tell you I was a flying monkey at this point and you’d believe me.

No, I don’t see her commenting the first page all the time. Does she have to? She did once, and that’s just enough. Everyone starts out somewhere.

And when I said people “befriending” artists, I was talking about in general. I wasn’t directly referring to her. Again: don’t take everything so literally.

There are artists whose work isn’t that great, but they still have lots of watchers.

“Comment” and “Reply” are not just names. They have two different functions. If not, there wouldn’t be two, would there?

Her comment was just fine. She wasn’t off-topic. But the fact is she did not do it in the right place. That’s where the complication is. She made it seem like she was replying to me instead of commenting for the sake of attention, and that’s what most people who “leech” off comments do. Whether that was her intention or not, I didn’t know, but she certainly made it seem that way. That is why I asked her to explain herself to me.

There were plenty of people who thought along the same lines of me. But they didn’t respond to my comment, did they? There was no reason to reply to my comment, in my opinion, unless a person was asking for attention and to be on the front page. That is how I interpreted it.

I suppose I should’ve sent her a note. Genuinely, the thought really didn’t occur to me at the time. I just don’t really send notes. It’s a feeble excuse, really, and I’ll admit I was wrong here. You can call me a liar or whatever you please, but I’m being truthful.

Considering the situation, I personally think it was natural to jump to conclusions. Why, because “comment leeching” for popularity is frequent. It’s the same situation.

I don’t want anyone to respond to me unless their comment is directly relevant to what I’m saying. By that, I mean someone responding to my comment and saying, for example: “I agree, the color in this piece is astounding” or “I disagree, I think the artist should’ve added more detail to make the movement of the piece more distinguished”.

When I said that I’d prefer someone to just say “I agree”, keep in mind I also said “at least”. I’m lowering my standards by a lot if I’m saying I just want people to say “I agree”.

Oh, and by speech, I’m including typing.

You’re acting as though I don’t understand that fine art is what makes a publicized artist. There are people who view that a way to get popular is by leaving tons of comments. It is not the right way of getting your art “out there”, and I know that.

Do you know the meaning of the word "exaggeration"?

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Wow, i was not going to reply (to an essay) but you're so stubborn. At least I understand what you mean about comment leeching (not that I have to agree), but you build a case around the things you believe in and refuse to see other points. All in all, you're saying that you are right, she is wrong, and even though you believe she is wrong, you want to make her admit that she is wrong anyway, so you can tell her how wrong she is. That's some classic controlling behavior. "I wanted her to admit it so I could explain to her why she should be respectful and not take the spotlight from an artist." And who are you, her mom?

Actually, I am friends with her. We have conversed, and she knows a bit about me, and I know a bit about her; she's not some random person that I happen to have searched up.

You were hostile, and yes, there is such a thing as 'tone' even in writing, believe it or not. Being annoyed after many people have done it doesn't excuse you. Killing someone and then trying to tell the police "But i was stressed out" isn't going to help you.

Again you assume, when do I try to make the first page all the time? When is this all the time? Do you see her commenting on the first page all the time? And what exactly do you mean by being friends with a popular artist? I don't actually see her befriending an artist - I simply see her commenting, whether on first page or last page is irrelevent. I know you didn't say SHE is trying to befriend the artist but you are stating the fact you are annoyed with her leeching, then you go on to say how she is trying to be famous by being on first page, and now you're moving on to how some people befriend artists to get famous. Maybe so, but this doesn't apply to her.

Also, making a conversation doesn't make her popular. Or did it? I guess we have different standards of what is popular, and to me it is beyond someone replying to the comment (besides, she didn't reply back, it is more between the person who replied to her and someone else). If someone's art is for a lack of better words, bad, they won't get many watchers no matter how many first page comments they have. Yes they'll get a ton of pageviews. Any favourites? Probably not at the rate some other *popular* artist is getting.

You have these ideas of what things should be and shouldn't. Reply and comment button is just a name; whether or not one abides from it is their own damn choice. Personally I think her comment is okay whether it was addressed to you or not. Let's just say she wanted people to go to her page, but you have a problem with that but suddenly it's alright if she had added "I agree...etc." to her message. You just don't like how it was leeched off you (well you certainly saw it as an opportunity to scold her since it was under your comment) but would have been perfectly alright if she had been the second poster. The comment would have the same, except that she had posted it faster.

She was agreeing with you - well i don't know if she was but I see it as agreeing; maybe not the second comment (which yes, is directed at the artist) but the first one is, because you said the picture is good (in your own way/words) and she agreed that it's good (unless you are so blind that you can't even tell someone is agreeing with you unless they had said YES YOU ARE RIGHT, THE MOVEMENT OF THE PICTURE IS WHAT I LIKE). Of course, you can just say that the first part was directed at the artist too (which is really a matter of perspective) which case you didn't even need to contact her at all because you obviously know what's on her mind - and we wouldn't have this conversation at all because you win, hooray for you.

By messaging, I mean to her inbox. Because what you feel is more or less a personal opinion, and if it is a misunderstanding between you two, then it should definitely be between you two (Surely you realize we are having this conversation now because you posted it public). If you had actually hoped to find out if it's a misunderstand between you two then you would have made sure you ACTUALLY found out first, rather than posting it public - but no, you would rather say you point first, then apologize later if you are wrong. What kind of logic is that? Is that how you confront others? What did you expect by publically caller her a comment leecher anyway? Do I want to actually reply - prolong the number of replies - and possibly have another view go "ew this person sucks, she leeches"? No. Way to go at encouraging someone to reply to you.

"Besides, just because English isn't your first language, than shouldn't you be trying to type correctly" THEN. Please don't drag your mom or other people into this. "effort in trying to speak it fluently. I have friends who have English as a second language, but they speak fine." Also we're on the topic of typing English, not speaking English. You know some people can speak fine and not type fine, vice versa, or can't do both.

And don't talk to me about English mistakes that can "easily be fixed". This whole problem could have "easily been fixed" - or rather, not have happened at all if you took it between you and her.

Yeah, assuming she hasn't updated her journal in over a year, I can't imagine she would over something like this.

You just don't my point. First page comments will draw views to your page, yes. But being popular is having lots of people appreciate your art. I'm not saying her art is bad, but it's as if you are saying posting that wee comment will steal the artist's spotlight away (Yeah, like her comment is the only thing other people see, the rest of the comments on that page miraculously disappear). A comment will never amount to the talent the artist actually has. You DO agree that when you look at a piece of art, you actually LOOK at the art first, before the commenters right? Or do you mean a comment leech will LURE the viewer to their page (in which case, ALL the comments on the page have the potential to do that). Or do you simply mean that it's unfair to have her comment there when she obviously was not the first 10 (or whatever) that commented, so it's unfair to those people who commented first?

Oh, and: "I never said you wanted to be popular."

"...know the future of literacy is not that important to you since all you care about are you and your "friends" becoming internet celebrities."

How am I overreacting? Because I'm trying to reason with her and understand where she's coming from? I would not have reacted in any other way if someone else had done it.

You called yourself her friend, though. Why'd you say you were? There's no point. You could've just said "I saw the comment you left on that person's" profile and such. You don't have to make things up.

I wasn't hostile, just annoyed that after many, many journals of different artists that people are still idiotic and like to comment art just so they can be famous.

I brought up the amount of time she was on DA for a reason. Judging by the amount of time she has been on DA, she should know the correct way to respond to someone's deviation. Its self-explanatory anyways.

My "tone" (of typing?) was used because I believed it was a deeper issue than "LOL I THINK ILL REPLY HERE INSTEAD OF SCROLLING DOWN".

Uhm, yes. She does have to directly correspond to what I'm saying if she's going to hit the reply button. That's what its for. When you're commenting a person's art, you hit the comment button. When you're replying to someone, you hit the reply button. That's why they are named as such. If that wasn't the case, we wouldn't have two separate buttons, would we?

How was she agreeing with me if she was talking to the artist? She not only commented on the picture, she also responded to the artist's note. She wasn't talking to me. She was talking to the artist. Therefore, she should have left a comment, she should not have replied to me.

You're making this a lot more difficult than it is. It's quite easy to understand. The reply button is something that was made so watchers could communicate with each other. The comment button was made so watchers could comment on an artist's site. There is a difference.

Besides, the second comment was not off-topic. The second comment person was actually talking to the person. That person was using the reply feature correctly, so there was no reason to talk to that person.

Yes, I'm a child who makes a big deal out of nothing. Because as a child, I have a very small mind and there's no possible way that I have the capacity to think beyond the picture. Thank you for correcting that. I hope you pass your judgment onto others so they can see the light as well.

When are you going to understand that this is something bigger than just "Oh, wow, this person replied to me, maybe I should tell her"? I'm not that lazy to click a link. The fact is, in my opinion, it is disrespectful to leave another user a comment instead of the actual artist simply for attention. There was no reason for her to reply to me unless she wanted attention. There really isn't. Give me one reason.

I did message her about it. I left her a comment.

I never said you wanted to be popular. I even admitted that it was an assumption. You have no one to blame but yourself for that assumption:

Quote: And so what if he wanted to be on front page?? So?

No one purposefully tries to be on the first page unless they want attention, and for you to say that, it seems like you think it's okay for someone to comment on the first page for the sake of attention.

I assumed to make a point. I didn't assume things because I take everything literally, if that's what you were thinking.

I knew she wasn't hiding behind her watchers. If she was, then she probably would've made this journal about it and such. She's hiding behind her watchers involuntarily, because you came in here and left a comment.

There's always the slight possibility that there is a misunderstanding. In this case, I didn't believe it, but I don't like to be completely narrow-minded. That's why I asked her to explain herself. Besides, if she did do it for the attention, I wanted her to admit it so I could explain to her why she should be respectful and not take the spotlight from an artist.

Who doesn't respond to comments like that because they're "busy"? It's not going to vanish. You can answer it at another time.

"English" should be capitilized.

And I was making fun of your for your grammar and spelling mistakes that you could have easily fixed. The grammar mistakes were not in which the statement was said, but things such as capitals, punctuation, symbols, etc.

It doesn't matter how educated you are. You were aware of the mistakes you were making (such as using the @ symbol for the word "at"). Besides, just because English isn't your first language, than shouldn't you be trying to type correctly and keep a good mind on your grammar and spelling at all time? My mother's second language was English, but she put an effort in trying to speak it fluently. I have friends who have English as a second language, but they speak fine.

I guess when a person whose older than me still speaks with symbols, that makes me immature.

Obviously you guys aren't popular artists if you try to make the first page all the time...

Quote: And you seem to believe that "pretending to be friends and commenting on their first place" (Yes she commented on first place. Again, did she try to *pretend* to be friends? Assumptions.) is all it takes to get popular

What? Wow. That made me laugh so hard. You have no idea how hilarious that was.

When did I ever say that?

Apparently you forgot this bit:

Let's not try to get popular off our own hard work, like everyone else did. Let's just do it the easy way by pretending to be friends with popular artists so we can leech off their popularity because we're attention whores.

And yes, actually, people have gotten popular just by being friends with an artist who is. Did you ever notice how a group of popular happen to be all friends?

Besides, you can see how it made her popular. Someone replied to her and they started talking and making conversation.

She may not be rolling in pageviews, but I bet she has one more watcher now.

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The point isn't even about the inbox thing anymore (not after your last post anyway), the point is you're are just overreacting.

(And when i said i don't know her gender it's because i don't actually know her in real life? In fact we don't actually talk, I was just disgusted to see what you posted. Because you were obviously being hostile, not the part where you said she's leeching, but the part where you automatically assumed she will deny of this despite her membership date. Did you know anything about her to say that? Had she denied of anything of that nature in the past? It's one thing to ask "why did you reply to my comment? Were you even replying to ME?" than the tone you had used.)

When i was talking about relevent/irrelevent, i was referring to half the people who leech of others and go SECOND COMMENT versus the other people who actually have something SAY about the artist's work. Must she say something that has something DIRECTLY to what you said? Which was something about the movement of the picture... You showed your appreciation towards the art, and so did she (which infers "i agree" in case you can't tell), so I don't think we're worlds apart there.

And oh yeah; I only brought up your age because you remind me of a child who makes a big deal out of nothing. Lots of people don't care about leeching; the ones that do care may frown about it and the ones who just can't let it go will even bash about it. Since you keep mentioning about your inbox (another mention: do people frequently leech you? Do you always get spam? If not, why are you so bothered by stuff going to your inbox? "Oh noes, this person made me click on the link which took like 2 seconds"), you could have messaged her about it.

And you also assume too many things, that i want to be "popular" (since when? Unless you count the thing where I leeched off of you to mock that there could have been much less relevant comments) - - and you also assume that she would pretend to deny this (from what you posted on her page) - - and you also assumed she's hiding behind her watchers. For your information, she didn't tell any of us to fight "her battles" - - she hid it because she doesn't want to answer it or see no reason why she has to answer you (seeing how you are all like 'lease explain to me' when it's obvious you made her to be a comment leecher - did you expect her to be like 'Yes, I did in fact leech of you." - I mean where would that whole conversation lead, til she promises you to never to do it again? Oh please.), or maybe because she's obviously busy with exams.

And oh right, and how mature of YOU to make fun of other's people english, especially when someone have never been schooled much because of financial reasons (and a second language for that matter).

Oh yeah, and neither me nor her are even popular artists, and we don't care, but obviously again, you like to assume this. And you seem to believe that "pretending to be friends and commenting on their first place" (Yes she commented on first place. Again, did she try to *pretend* to be friends? Assumptions.) is all it takes to get popular but let me tell you this: It takes more than just a damn comment to make someone popular internet "celebrities". Therefore your whole arguement about wanting to be "popular" by leeching off other's popularity isn't even valid. It doesn't make you more popular; sure, it gives your more pageviews maybe (though you have to admit pageviews mostly come from the actual ARTWORK), but it doesn't boost the quality of your art. I'm saying this because one comment will not make her popular unless she's popular to begin with.

Her comment was not relevant. If you reply to someone, you're responding to someone's comment. That's what the reply (say it with me now: reply) option is for. Her response wasn't relevant to anything I had said at all. Hell, I'd prefer the two words "I agree" rather than what she said, because it was off-topic in comparison with my comment, and it made her come off as a pathetic attention-thief.

With what she had to say, she should have left a comment. Why? Because then it goes to my inbox instead of the artist's. I don't know a single artist on this site who wouldn't want feedback--whether they're popular or not.

The only reason other people "leeched" me was because most of them were responding to the first person. The chain all started with that person. I didn't get anything in my inbox from anyone else, so I went after that person. I'm not giving anyone special treatment. The only other person who directly commented me was you, and I don't like to settle these things in public. Besides, you commented me here and I could say anything I wanted to here. Also, you seemed really immature when you did that. I thought I was the one who was "fourteen"?

I am thinking about the artist. Why should I get a comment about someone else's art? I want comments on my own art, as does every other artist out there. When you respond to someone's comment, the artist doesn't receive it, but rather someone else. It's a waste of time.

Also, I could've argued with your "friend" (you guys are friends but you don't know each other's gender?) on the deviation, but I didn't. Why? Because I'm not going to start an argument on someone else's page and, as I liked before, I value privacy.

I would've kept my mouth shut if every part of it had to do with me, but it didn't. The reason I scolded her was because it was disrespectful towards the artist. You are so ignorant. You think people do actions for their own self-gain. Sorry if I made it seem that way, but I really am not that selfish.

To me, it seems like you are basically saying: "OH WELL I CAN LEECH OFF SOMEONE'S COMMENT BECAUSE THIS ARTIST GETS MILLIONS OF MESSAGES A DAY AND I'M ACTUALLY SAVING HER TIME". I know a person who's a popular artist, and I have not heard her say once that she did not like an extra comment.

"Why do I care if she wanted to be on the front page"?

Let me guess: you're one of those people who spams other people's art with "OMFG FIRST COMMENT!!!!!1111one". That's sort of the vibe I'm getting from you, honestly.

[s]But yeah. You know what? You're right. Let's forget about the fact that the artist worked hard on piece. Let's forget that the artist is publicly sharing their piece for free just for feedback. Let's forget that the artist does have feelings. Instead, let's just stare at our inbox like our lives depend on it, and the minute a popular artist's deviation appears, we click on it like a madman and try to post the first comment so people check out our galleries.

Let's not try to get popular off our own hard work, like everyone else did. Let's just do it the easy way by pretending to be friends with popular artists so we can leech off their popularity because we're attention whores. [/sarcasm]

The first page is not that fucking important, and I don't understand why so many people are willing to do anything just to get on the fucking first page.

I want her to explain to me why she felt the need to respond to my comment instead of leaving one. I want her to explain to me why she strived to get on the first page and why she feels its important. I want her to explain to me what her comment had anything to do with my own. I want her to explain why she feels its important to try and take a spotlight from an artist.

And for the record, I have a right to care. I have a right to be annoyed by people who try to spam someone's art with "FIRST COMMENT!!!!" and leeching off someone who made a comment on the first page. Why? Because as an artist, it makes me annoyed and disgusted that people would rather be popular than generous to fellows of their community.

And, uhm, hello? Artists express hate for people who comment them just for the first page all the time. I'm not the only one bothered by this.

Do I think leeching off someone's comment is unethical? To an extent, yes. Yes, art thieves and flamers (flamers who don't make a valid point, anyways) are the worst, but that doesn't mean we should lower our standards. We should have expectations for everyone.

I'm sorry, but its obvious that you and I value different things. I don't care if I come off as an "unapproachable" person, because I don't give a shit about popularity, unlike you. The internet isn't a fucking high school. Popularity doesn't mean a damn thing out here. If a "sensitive 14 year old" (I'm actually fifteen--just thought I'd bring that up, since age is apparently very important to you) is aware of that, than what's your excuse? Because apparently, you're wise beyond your years and you're a very mature adult, even though your literature teacher probably beat the shit out of you after seeing how you talk on the internet. Got grammar?

Oh, and I'm being serious about the latter. Please respond to me when you stop using n00b speech patterns, or at least when you know how to edit your comments. I know the future of literacy is not that important to you since all you care about are you and your "friends" becoming internet celebrities, but it is to me.

Sometimes when we learn about a person's values we don't get into these predicaments.

Remind me when your friend stops hiding behind her watchers and when she decides to finally respond to me. She wasn't so reluctant to reply when I was on a popular artist's deviation site, so I don't understand why she's so shy now.

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Lol @ that comment you left on the other girl (or guy)'s page. I guess only 14 yr olds get so sensitive. To get to the point, get off your high horse; the reply button is there for a reason - for people to use it. At least his comment is relevant unlike some people where they're just like "FIRST LEECH/SECOND LEECH" (which i noticed you didn't bash the other people that 'leeched' you. Why are you picking on my friend? At least be consistent.) ANd boy do YOU sound arrogant - "it annoys me when i get it in my inbox" or whatever you said, like you get a million messages a day or something. Think about the ARTIST who drew the picture, how many more do you think SHE gets? If the artist doesn't have a prob with it, why do YOU?
To be honest, it's almost as if you didn't want to share your experience of being "first commenter". Maybe to you it's rude, but it's not like it's unethical or anything. On the grand scale of things on DA, there are a lot more 'rude things' going on such as art thieves, bashing people's arts, etc.

And so what if he wanted to be on front page?? So? What do you want him to 'explain' to you? Sorry, but a lot of people do this, and most don't care, because either they just DON'T CARE, or they take it as a chance to reply back and forth to the person - sometimes even creating a friendship. What you did just basically made you look like an unapproachable ...person.

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